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Aug 10, 2021

Dr. Jane Vella and Val Uccellani talk with Ellen Turgasen RN about the axiom “Don’t do for the learners what they can do for themselves.” Ellen met Jane in 1985 when she took the Popular Education ‘bootcamp’ prior to flying off to Peru to work as a nurse for Maryknoll. From then on, Ellen was hungry to learn more about how to live the principles and practices of Dialogue Education. This particular axiom gained new meaning for Ellen in her work as a massage therapist – where doing for the learner has tangible consequences.

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